It’s not a new standard. They didn’t invent it. Different protocols often work better for different usecases.

For beginners, the company provides VibeBoy, an AI-assisted coding environment that lets users describe what they want to build in plain English

audible sigh

Aside from that, any modern communications device should be capable of using some sort of modern encrypted calls and messaging. Signal, Matrix, XMPP, whatever, give me something

I never even thought about the name 🤦

You need to buy an “unlocked” model. They sell carrier-locked devices at a discount so that they can install spyware on them, and then lock them down so you can’t remove it or take it to another carrier.

You bought a carrier-locked device. You need an unlocked one.

it’s pretty clear by now that if you had any ability to comment meaningfully on this, you would have done it by now.

I already have several times. I have no obligation to “substantiate” anything. If you know, you know. If you don’t, that’s fine, I’m not explaining it to you.

So far you haven’t been able to cite a single specific issue with the protocol or universal flaws with clients

And in not going to. They are numerous. Anyone who has used them knows.

Can’t wait until you realise discord is essentially the same thing :-) . Yup, it’s a web app. Always has.

I don’t think you know what a web app is.

EA/Riot games in-app chats are clients for it, etc).

Really? So I can message EA users with my MOVIM account? No? Well there’s a problem…

Only to have a sensible and articulated commentary in good faith. Which once again you fail at doing.

You can’t just label arguments you don’t like or agree with as “bad faith”. I have no motivation to hate on XMPP or promote Fluxer, other than liking one and disliking the other.

I am talking about XMPP being almost 3 decades old

This is not the win you think it is.

Don’t believe all the disinformation you read online

I’m not reading anything, I’ve actually used it.

perhaps you could cite some?

I already did. Have you not used Discord? Are you just completely oblivious to the popularity the platform has achieved in 1/3 the time that XMPP has been around, and seen massive adoption? Ask yourself why that is.

In other words, you can’t simply say “XMPP sucks because this unmaintained client is ugly”.

Uhhhh I absolutely can when all of the clients are ugly and dated. Movim doesn’t even have a client at all, its just a PWA, which is a really poor experience.

You just come across as someone who doesn’t know much about the subject.

I don’t, and I shouldn’t need to. Good software doesn’t require vast amounts of research, you just use it. I’ve used 100 different XMPP clients and softwares and they all deliver a poor experience after only a few minutes of use.

Then it’s even worse: if the goal is this, why give up on almost 3 decades of expertise solving that very problem?

I have no idea what you’re talking about.

In which way, exactly?

In the way of usability. XMPP is actually a hodgepodge of different protocols sewn together and inconsistent across apps and servers. Fluxer has many many features that XMPP does not offer. If you’re familiar with Discord, you already know what those are.

You cornered yourself into precisely NOT being able to invoke existing client shortcomings.

Again, no idea what you’re talking about.

Fluxer should just have been another XMPP client

No, because as I’ve already explained, XMPP is terrible.

It’s not centralized. Self hosting should be available soon, and federation available sometime after that.

XMPP is terrible by comparison.