You’re fucking impossible. Blocked for trolling.

Almost nothing is absolute. But you again seem to forget how this started. You told someone:

Apparently the majority of those people you are referring to arent phone engineers because they’re not building them in.

Which is implying that engineers decide what features a phone has. There might be 1 in 100 that does because they were a founding member of the company or something, but you were very clearly generalizing the engineering role incorrectly. Then you doubled down several times then finally tried to play it off like you understood this the whole time and I was just being “nitpicky” so we’re even or something.

I read it. I found it increasingly confusing. I thought I was being very clear in making a singular point: engineers rarely if ever decide what features get built, unless their input on what’s cost effective or possible is properly considered. In this case meaning engineers saying they want or don’t want a headphone jack on a phone would probably not be a thing because they know if it did they would be ignored. Here’s how this actually went:

Execs at company ask some team to find a new way to make revenue. They come up with the idea to remove the headphone jack and start making and selling wireless headphones and (bonus) adapters for people who don’t want wireless. The CEO loves the idea and forces it to happen. The engineers were told to design a new phone without it. Some of them gripe about it but no one cares. Maybe even one guy quit over it. The phone gets made anyway because engineers don’t decide features. They decide the how not the what.

Are you trolling? You’re now trying to explain to me that engineers don’t get to decide the features? Literally what I said from the beginning. If you’re high or something that’s cool but don’t be so confident in an argument. This was…weird

They literally just said the answer. Which I think was obvious tbh. Apple (and Google) literally sell the most losable objects ever made for $200+. They are greedy capitalists. Of course they’re gonna try to push you into that.

So you have options…? And because it’s still profitable either way.

They take a list of features given to them by product people who have gathered the requirements from all the interested parties. They then attempt to design all the technical architecture to support those features. They typically wouldn’t decide anything not related to technical aspects. Such as “this is impossible because of x, y, z” or “this is very expensive to do so I don’t recommend it”. It’s a push and pull but if an engineer ever said “we’re doing this feature because I want it”, typically that would be strange and they would not get their way.

Why do you ask? I am quite confused by this exchange.

Just take the L. You’re wrong. Engineers don’t decide featureset unless they also happen to occupy another role in the company. Jesus.

Also it’s funny how you’ve gone from “I’m right engineers decide it all” to “it doesn’t matter who decides it” and now we’re back to the former because you googled some atypical cases…?

It doesn’t really matter that much I was just pointing out that you had specifically said the engineers weren’t adding a headphone jack as if to give gravitas to this decision, but they don’t actually make it. That’s all.

Engineers are probably the last people who would get to make that decision though. Even if they argued and threatened to resign over it they may fail to get any deference on such a decision. Unless they could successfully argue that for a technical reason they should keep it or add it. Which obviously doesn’t make sense, they already have many designs without it to iterate on.

You…think engineers get to pick the product requirements?.. That’s not how anything works.

“people don’t care about good solutions”

Okay and that’s a good argument because…?

You’re quite the madlad aren’t ya?

Thank you. Truly insane they added all those steps to the process.